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found a good processor for a great price on newegg.com,
Intel Pentium D 805 533MHz FSB LGA 775 Dual Core EM64T Processor - retail is 128.99
what would be the best recommend Mother Board, Memeory, etc...
looking to build my first machine for MultiMedia, Gaming, and Web Development (Design and Database programming)
thx
Intel Pentium D 805 533MHz FSB LGA 775 Dual Core EM64T Processor - retail is 128.99
what would be the best recommend Mother Board, Memeory, etc...
looking to build my first machine for MultiMedia, Gaming, and Web Development (Design and Database programming)
thx
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Re: CPU...
Thu, May 18, 2006 - 5:26 PMIf you're going to buy a new Intel processor and put together a system that you plan to keep for a few years, I recommend going with an Intel 975X north bridge chipset such as that found on the very nice ASUS P5WD2-E motherboard. However to do this you need to get a CPU with at least 800Mhz FSB. You will also be able to use faster DDR2 800Mhz RAM if you do this.
If you really want to go with the cheaper 533Mhz FSB CPU, an Intel 945G chipset would work and still provide room to expand later. A good motherboard with this chipset is ASUS P5LD2-VM.
Personally I prefer AMD CPUs and nVidia chipsets. An Athlon 64 X2 performs well and will work great with future 64 bit operating systems. The motherboard I'd recommend there is the ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe (nVidia nForce SPP 100 / SLI chipsets).
In case you didn't notice, I like ASUS high end boards. But you can get other good boards with the same chipsets cheaper. You'll be giving up some special overclocking features, onboard RAID, 8 channel audio, dual gigabit ethernet... and other stuff you might not need. If you buy a cheap one make sure you'll be able to return it if you have problems.
As for memory: Once you pick out the CPU and motherboard, buy the highest rated memory that your motherboard supports (for example with an A8N32-SLI you should buy "DDR 400 (PC3200)" RAM or with a P5LD2-VM you should buy "DDR2 667 (PC2-5300)". If you are into overclocking you should learn more about RAM timing, etc. Otherwise just buy a good brand of RAM with a rating that matches your motherboard.
As for RAM brands, Crucial makes very good quality RAM. Mushkin, Corsair, Kingston are also fine. For a high end system, I wouldn't buy other brands than those.
If you're doing gaming you will want a nice PCI Express x16 video card. I'm rather partial to cards that use nVidia chipsets (many available from companies like Gainward, Chaintech, XFX etc.) but also the high end ATI cards are nice. If you want a hardcore gaming machine, buy the nicest video card you can afford, OR, save money with a cheaper high performance card based on nVidia 7300/7600 and you can upgrade later. (And before you buy an ATI "All in wonder" card ask yourself if you really are going to watch TV on your computer, and if not, don't.) -
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Re: CPU...
Thu, May 18, 2006 - 9:38 PMA point to note... Personally I use ATI cards, but most game companys actually optimize their game for NVIDIA cards. They will still work under ATI, but work a lot better under NVIDIA.
A couple of examples, Battlefield 2 and Flight Simulator 2004. They work on ATI, but the NVIDIA cards load faster and display certain effects faster/better on the NVIDIA than they do ATI.
There are a few games with the ATI logo that optimize the other way, but the majority are optimized to the NVIDIA chipsets.
So if you are going towards a primarially gaming system, you may want to look at NVIDIA. If you are looking at a general purpose machine and concerned with cost, then the ATI cards are feesible.
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Re: CPU...
Sat, May 20, 2006 - 2:18 AMIt really comes down to what you want to spend and how long you can wait.
Personally, I recommend waiting until the Intel Conroe CPUs come out in the fall. The current Pentium Ds run really, really hot and suck up a lot of power.
I'm currently running a Pentium 4 2.8. I run IIS, Vis Studio 2005 and SQL Developer as well as multiple browsers simultaneously just fine. I'm switching over to AMD as soon as the Asus AM2 micro-ATX motherboards come out next month.
You can spend alot $1000-$1400 or a little under $600. It just really depends which way you want to go.
About 3 years ago, I went small and quiet with a bunch of external drives.
Case - Buy a good case because it will be the last thing you switch out. If you go mid-tower then go with one of Lian-Li PC-V1200 models or the Antec P160. I use a micro-ATX minitower. I don't like the one I have now so I'm going to buy a new case the CoolerMaster Centurion 451 for my new system.
PowerSupply - Zalman or Seasonic . One of these brands. They're powersupplies are as close to silent as you will get. You'll need at least 400W if you're running the current Pentium D.
CPU - Wait for the Conroe chips. Seriously. Wait till fall.
Motherboard - I've started using Asus about 6 years ago. I'm never using another brand again. What your looking for is 4 DDR2 RAM slots, 3.0G/s SATA and PCI-Express slot for your video card. This will leave you with an upgrade path for your video card, RAM and CPU.
RAM - I've been using Mushkin for about 8 years. But I'll be switching to OCZ. OCZ makes great RAM with really fast CAS timing. You're looking for a timing of 3-3-3-8 or better. DDR2 533 because that's the speed your CPU is running at unless you plan to overclock which I wouldn't recommend consider how damn hot the Pentium Ds run.
CPU Heatsink - Zalman because they're very quiet
Video Card - GeForce 9800 if you can afford it. Otherwise GeForce 9600. I don't do much gaming so I use ATI for video. You'll need a PCI-Express card
Sound Card - SoundBlaster Audigy for gaming is what everyone I know who game uses. I'm still trying to find the great card for audio. Haven't really found it yet.
Speakers - I love my Klipsch speakers
LCD Monitor - Samsung (if you do graphic design) , otherwise Dells LCDs are good at half the price and I don't think you'll have any ghosting issues since they have a 12ms response time. 8ms is better but you'll end up paying alot more.
DVD-RW - I use LG drives. I think the Plextors are the best but I like the LGs because they're very fast, reliable and quiet..
Hard Drive - Samsung SpinPoint or the Hitachi 250G because their fast and quiet and 250G is the current sweet spot for price ($85). I currently run a Seagate 250G but it's louder than I thought it would be. All my externals are Seagates and will continue to be since I've never had one go bad. I use the Venus DS3 Serial ATA to USB external enclosures to house my hard drives.
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Re: CPU...
Sat, May 20, 2006 - 3:02 AMSlashdot has a pointer to an article on another site about the Core Duo cpus...
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/...he_desktop
Worth the read over...
As for Samsung, I've had nothing but problems with Samsung equipment, especially harddrives. High failure rates...
Another compatibility issue I ran across was Soyo Motherboards with dual core CPU's and ATI cards. Some will not boot. Put in a normal P4 2.53 cpu and an ATI card it works fine. Put a dual core 3.4 and an NVIDIA card and the mobo works fine. The instant you combine an ATI and a dual core 3.4 on some Soyo boards, they refuse to boot up no matter what you do...
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Intel Conroe CPUs...
Sat, May 20, 2006 - 8:29 AMIntel Conroe CPUs - I don''t suppose anyone has an idea of the price tag one this.
"The current Pentium Ds run really, really hot and suck up a lot of power. "
One of the reasons I was attracted to this Process was an Article( and price) on Tomshardware
www.tomshardware.com/2006/05...z_cores/
if I were to use liquid cooling would that make a big difference on performance.
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Re: Intel Conroe CPUs...
Sat, May 20, 2006 - 2:27 PMBrand new CPUs are always going to cost a lot more for the performance you get. so even if you do wait till fall for the new Intel chips, then you might find yourself waiting some months after that for them to be priced reasonably! Probably the most viable CPU platform that is actually on the market right now is AMD64. Intel may temporarily surpass AMD again with their new processors towards the end of this year; CPU competition is all about one-upsmanship.
But it's true, you can start with a cheaper CPU with a low FSB, and if you are patient, you can safely get the core speed up way over what it was designed for. You have to re-test your system each time you tweak some values for more speed, and watch your temperatures and voltages carefully. If you want to do the sort of overclocking they are talking about in that article, you should *definitely* go with a liquid cooling system as well as very high performance RAM and nice motherboard with all the easy to use tuning settings in the BIOS. This might eat up some of the money you saved on the inexpensive processor - but none of the fun! :-D
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Re: Intel Conroe CPUs...
Sat, May 20, 2006 - 11:40 PMSorry, a quick correction, it was an A-Bit AI-7 motherboard that had issues with ATI and dual core cpu's, not a Soyo board. -
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Re: Intel Conroe CPUs...
Sun, May 21, 2006 - 4:31 PMAthlon64 CPUs from AMD are just better these days for 2 reasons:
-Best speed per dollar ratio
-They run cooler at full speed and idle. Less noise and lower power costs.
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Re: Intel Conroe CPUs...
Sun, May 21, 2006 - 11:26 PMNot to draw attention away from the topic creator, but I have a question about my rig... I built it about 9 months ago and I have some questions. Specs:
AMD 64 3800+ Venice (single core)
4x512mb Corsair DDR3200 RAM (3/2.5/2.5/6)
7800GT (450/1.02)
10,000RPM Raptor HD (74 gig western digital)
120gig 7200RPM backup drive (western digital)
The performance has been constantly lackluster... 30-40 frames per second on world of warcraft on all high. 125 FPS on a first person shooter that is HEAVILY outdated (quake 3 engine), and people with similar rigs are getting 333 FPS easily. I've overclocked the entire system to about 2.8ghz (clocks at 2.4 standard), my memory is running at 220, and graphics card is OC'd as well. My question is, would dropping a dual core in this rig make a noticable and considerable difference? What is my bottleneck, my CPU or my graphics card? I'm confused at to why I'm getting performance nowhere near what this rig should be. -
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Re: Intel Conroe CPUs...
Mon, May 22, 2006 - 12:07 AMDon't play world of warcraft, but 'on all high' can dampen almost any system. Game designers keep putting it features that make a game unplayable....
Check what other processes are running... a web page with flash animation can kill a whole system.
Generally speaking, Dual Core will NOT make a better gaming system. The programs are not written in a way to take advantage of a true dual core.
(This is different from Intel's Hyperthreading, which is really a way for intel to deal with the pipeline problems of their CPU)
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Re: Intel Conroe CPUs...
Mon, May 22, 2006 - 12:41 AMDual Channel memory does create a substantial improvement over single channel memory for high graphic applications such as many games.
With 2gb of single channel ram I was seeing one game load up in about 1 minute. With 1gb of dual channel ram, the same game was loading in about 30 seconds...
For simple word processing and internet browsing computer, you can go the cheeper route with single channel memory. For a gaming machine you will want to look at the dual channel memory and pay a little more. -
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Re: Intel Conroe CPUs...
Mon, May 22, 2006 - 12:54 AM"With 2gb of single channel ram I was seeing one game load up in about 1 minute. With 1gb of dual channel ram, the same game was loading in about 30 seconds... "
There's no such thing as single/dual channel RAM, its simply a method the motherboard uses to utilize the RAM... you need paired RAM sticks to work in dual channel, and any RAM that says 'Dual Channel' on the packaging is marketing mumbo jumbo :)
I realize a single gaming app can't run on multiple threads without being written that way... but can XP run on one core, and have a game run on the other? -
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Re: Intel Conroe CPUs...
Mon, May 22, 2006 - 2:51 PM"There's no such thing as single/dual channel RAM"
Really? Tell that to my motherboard then...
I purchased 2 identical memory sticks at the same time, PC3200 1gb DDR, they said single channel. The computer on boot said memory in single channel mode.
I went and bought a 1gb pack (2x512mb) of dual channel PC3200 DDR. The computer now says on boot, memory in dual channel mode.
So it is not just marketting mumbo jumbo, because the hardware does indead see it as two different types/kinds and functionality is altered as well. -
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Re: Intel Conroe CPUs...
Mon, May 22, 2006 - 7:01 PMThat *is* strange. Kingston's white paper on dual-channel memory describes the technology differently and also states all you need is two matching DDR sticks... this is confirmed by some other sources too. see here:
www.kingston.com/newtech/M...epaper.pdf
Maybe there was actually some problem/defect with your original pair of RAM sticks which prevented your motherboard from running in DC mode (e.g. one of the sticks got mis-detected or returned different SPD values, and the mobo thought they didn't match)?
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Video Card...
Mon, May 22, 2006 - 4:43 AMon the video card who is the best chipset manufactor?
PNY, BFG, MIS, etc.?
thx for all the info definitily learning a lot here.
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Re: Video Card...
Mon, May 22, 2006 - 3:09 PMAll the cards that use identical nVidia chipsets are pretty similar. They vary in build quality, quietness/effectiveness of the chipset coolers, and how much they are overclocked. It's probably best to try and find reviews for the specific card(s) you are considering.
I heard a rumor that ASUS buys the "cream of the crop" chips from nVidia so that they can reliably clock their cards faster, but I don't know if it's true.
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Re: Video Card...
Mon, May 22, 2006 - 6:46 PMStay away from the EVGA brands, I picked on up and an older ATI card with half the memory and clock speed out preformed it (the EVGA brands tend to have fewer pipes between the GPU and onboard memory)
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